transcripts : February 3, 2003
Rssrsvp
retur of 8 MSU's for GM's
EyeFlyDoc
I agree
obscure2k
agree.
EyeFlyDoc
yes
andymo99
agree.
DLrunner
I am personally affected by the 0.5 MQM for LUT
Marq
that too
EyeFlyDoc
I think that its madness
DLrunner
so how about perks and the 0.5 MQM as the biggest issues
EyeFlyDoc
it should be 1 minimum
bdschobel
I agree. Like AA.
obscure2k
let's try to avoid discussing SONG, if possisble
ATLpax
agree, 1 minimum MQM
EyeFlyDoc
exactly
paradocs
Why not like AA for qualification? Either $ or miles.
Marq
how about million miler qualification miles
EyeFlyDoc
that's the confusing thing
Rssrsvp
AA counts all miles for MM
bdschobel
Well, 1 min MQM would parallel AA pretty well.
andymo99
i don't think MM is the central issue here.
EyeFlyDoc
if Borden came from AA why not mimic
Rssrsvp
agreed
EyeFlyDoc
and not repeat the US mistake
obscure2k
are eyefly and RSS going to co-chair?
bdschobel
Biggest issueaffecting most people is upgrade % will drop tremendously.
EyeFlyDoc
It is like the took the worst of AA and US proposed
EyeFlyDoc
just RSS
DLrunner
so we could be explicit that these 1-2 issues are what affect most of us and we would like DL to reconsider them
EyeFlyDoc
right RSS?
Rssrsvp
OK
Rssrsvp
pardon the speed of my 2 finger typing
obscure2k
Go for it, RSS--
bdschobel
So one-two punch is 1 min MQM and upgrade %?
bdschobel (Feb 3, 2003 9:09:27 PM)
Personally, I think that we might get some give on those issues.
Rssrsvp
BTW, beware of DL lurkers!
bdschobel
No problemo.
EyeFlyDoc
I agree with Bruce
EyeFlyDoc
the question is will any roll back be too little, too late
Rssrsvp
Bruce, does that mean we are going for mexican food next lunch?
bdschobel
Focusing on two issues would be very helpful, I think. And those two affect the most people by far!!!
Marq
i would welcome dl lurjers
Marq
lurkers
bdschobel
OK.
obscure2k
Welcome, DL lurkers
DLrunner
Have we officially started ??
Rssrsvp
Issie #1 - one mile no matter what!
EyeFlyDoc
So when we get a few more should we agree on those issues?
EyeFlyDoc
I guess we agree
EyeFlyDoc
no objections
obscure2k
agree
Rssrsvp
we should not compare everything to AA
ATLpax
can we be more specific on the % upgrades?
Rssrsvp
big mistake
obscure2k
agree
Rssrsvp
look at CO &NW
EyeFlyDoc
yes
EyeFlyDoc
exactly
Rssrsvp
75k=top elite
Marq
NO
EyeFlyDoc
I would be happy with the prior qualifications
EyeFlyDoc
25, 50 and 100
obscure2k
agree with eyeflydoc
bareflanks
so would i
EyeFlyDoc
with same segments
Rssrsvp
everyone gets upgraded in a pecking order if I am not mistaken
Marq
rssrsvp, problem platinums have is delta made it too easy in 2001 to make platinum
EyeFlyDoc
segments are critical
andymo99
looks like bruce might be having technical difficulties again.
EyeFlyDoc
did he reload java?
Rssrsvp
they gave us the double mile promos
DLrunner
I would too..... i guess 1 MQM minimum, segment qualifications and perks at each level are what we should focus on as the main issues...
Marq
no, silver y or b has always had priority over platinum h, q or k
Rssrsvp
now we should be punished for flying?
bareflanks
if you had to do without seg qual...would that be ok
andymo99
We can't just take the best part of each program and ask DL to incorporate that.
Rssrsvp
you MUST have segments!
EyeFlyDoc
I don't agree with that
bareflanks
me too
DLrunner
now lets go back to the original agenda of billboard or other means to get those issues across
EyeFlyDoc
I think we must have segments
EyeFlyDoc
otherwise we disenfranchise many of our colleagues
Marq
i'm guilty, always make plat on segments, will probably only make plat every other year now
EyeFlyDoc
I can go either way
bareflanks
sorry, just a thought
Rssrsvp (Feb 3, 2003 9:14:12 PM)
people like mikey & Donna, opposites, 1 is a PM & 1 is a FO both relay on segments
EyeFlyDoc (Feb 3, 2003 9:14:16 PM)
but if you fly 100 segs a year you deserve PM
GG
I think mikey thinks segments are important
bdschobel
I got kicked off again. Had to reboot! First time tonight. Here;'s my address, by the way:
bdschobel
5 Oakwood Way
Rssrsvp
segments are a must to be fair to everyone
FL-Delta-Platinum
I agree... 100 segs is a COMMITMENT to an airline - loyalty
bdschobel (Feb 3, 2003 9:14:46 PM)
Princeton Junction, NJ 08550-3526
EyeFlyDoc
bruce did you reload java?
FL-Delta-Platinum
this is supposed to be a LOYALTY program
bdschobel
Yeah!
bareflanks
thanks bruce, i'll send the check
ATLpax
everyone thinks the way they qualify is important...LUT=1 MQM is imp for me
EyeFlyDoc
precisely
EyeFlyDoc
loyalty is loyalty
bdschobel
Did everyone get my earlier suggestion: 1MQM min and upgrade %?
FL-Delta-Platinum
100 segs provides a lot of revenue to dl
EyeFlyDoc
and you can measure it with miles flown or tush in seat
EyeFlyDoc
we all agree bruce
bdschobel
OK.
Marq
can make 100 segments for $5k, not a lot of revenue
Rssrsvp
can we live without upgrading LUT's if they give us 1 MQM?
bdschobel
Can we limit to 2 issues that affect almost everyone?
Marq
ues
andymo99
To be devil's advocate, someone who flies 100 LUT segments per year is not terribly valuble to the airline... why should they get rewarded?
obscure2k
yes
EyeFlyDoc
yes
DLrunner
yes RSS
bareflanks
yes
FL-Delta-Platinum
yes
jml1124
1 mqm minimim is very important. I even asked a res agent why should I even consider DL when all others give that - and more often cost less. She had no answer.
FL-Delta-Platinum
I'll buy K for upgrade
bdschobel
Same here.
EyeFlyDoc
but I don't think it costs them to put us in a seat especially if they make us pay for ULT upgrade
FL-Delta-Platinum
I've bought K for years - revenue
EyeFlyDoc
they could make money
EyeFlyDoc
I would still buy K for time of booking upgrade
DLrunner
Thats true... i agree with doc
bareflanks
me too
andymo99
But be realistic, we can't ask for DL to go to a system that is MORE generous than what they just took away from us.
Rssrsvp
eg. people that live on the shuttle won't get upgraded anyway but want 1 MQM for elite credit
FL-Delta-Platinum (Feb 3, 2003 9:17:11 PM)
K for PM at booking would be nice
EyeFlyDoc
not more generous
bareflanks
dl lurkers, are you reading this
EyeFlyDoc
if they are charging us
DLrunner
$50-75 for LUT upgrade at gate
ATLpax
ok, everyone agreed on 1 MQM
ATLpax
?
EyeFlyDoc
like they charge no medallions
jml1124
yes
FL-Delta-Platinum
yes
bdschobel
Yes.
bareflanks
me too
EyeFlyDoc
RSS what's next?
Rssrsvp
folks, let's deal with segments first. yes or no?
bajamex
yes
FL-Delta-Platinum
yes
EyeFlyDoc
yes
bareflanks
ok, does not affect me
EyeFlyDoc
better to ask if objection I think
bdschobel
I'd drop that as an issue, personally. Doesn't affect enough folks. Sorry to those who ARE affected.
DLrunner
does not affect me
BigD
It affects me a great deal
ATLpax
are there any other key points? then maybe we can vote on them
FL-Delta-Platinum
I can make it w/o, but support travellers who do
EyeFlyDoc
I think that it is important overall
Marq
it affects me but i understand reasoning
bdschobel
So do I, but we can't dilute our message too much.
EyeFlyDoc
status is good for DL
EyeFlyDoc
the more the merrier
EyeFlyDoc
for them
bareflanks
no segment; no u/g on ult; 1-1 mqm
EyeFlyDoc
if there is value they would want everyone to be a medallion
ATLpax
how about the 800 to 500?
EyeFlyDoc
keeps us on planes
FL-Delta-Platinum
segments keeps me from looking at SW on short flights
Marq
big
bdschobel
Yes. Broader, though: upgrade % drops precipitously.
FL-Delta-Platinum
800 is BIG
Marq
plat only upgrade 20% of flights
EyeFlyDoc
true
bdschobel
Right.
EyeFlyDoc
800 is big
obscure2k
am really steamed about the 800 to 500.
Rssrsvp
so far segments look like a yes based on the count #2 - MQM's we we settle for less than 1 MQM on any fare?
Marq
30% if Y...all other airlines let any upgrade full y fares
FL-Delta-Platinum
it triples my segment MSU needs
bdschobel
It's not the number that matters; it's the overal upgrade %.
Marq
bd i agree
DLrunner
no for less than 1 MQM for all fares
Marq
plat upgrades same as silver
Marq
don't like
EyeFlyDoc
RSS it was no for less than 1
bdschobel (Feb 3, 2003 9:20:31 PM)
PMs go from close to 100% to 15% or so, depending on typiccal trip length.
FL-Delta-Platinum (Feb 3, 2003 9:20:37 PM)
why get PM is sm is same
Marq
bd agree
EyeFlyDoc
that was the most insane thing
Marq
agree
EyeFlyDoc
why bother
BigD (Feb 3, 2003 9:20:56 PM)
PM is worthless under new system
Marq
yes
EyeFlyDoc
yup
Rssrsvp
time out!
obscure2k
no motivation to reach plat
Rssrsvp (Feb 3, 2003 9:21:15 PM)
back to PM's next
Marq
especially since amex plat have free access to crown room now
BigD
I won't make gold with 150 segs anyway
EyeFlyDoc
what do we have so far?
Marq
big, of course you will
FL-Delta-Platinum
rationing of SMU is issue #1
andymo99
Hey, Rss said timeout. Uh oh, we lost bruce again.
Rssrsvp (Feb 3, 2003 9:21:39 PM)
we should agree that PM's get old unlimited upgrades
EyeFlyDoc
yes
dbk10
Shall we get the real party started?!?!?!?! April 25th is the shareholders meeting, we need to accomplish something before that.
Marq
rssr yes
bareflanks
yes rssp'
FL-Delta-Platinum
YES
obscure2k
definiely
bajamex
yes
Rssrsvp
do not settle for less or you are fools!
cwpfly
agree
obscure2k
agree
dbk10
now on the media committe we have been talking mainly about trying to get press kits out to whomever we can
bareflanks
can i ask about the buttons?
Jet2K
and here I think that I will settle for 8 800-milers
Rssrsvp (Feb 3, 2003 9:22:29 PM)
any other PM's
EyeFlyDoc
so we are at 1 = 1, yes to segs and restore 800?
Marq
yes
FL-Delta-Platinum
Unlimited MSU #1; 800 Miles #2
GG
Buttons: what numbers are we talking about?
Rssrsvp
why settle for less when u are entitled to more
EyeFlyDoc (Feb 3, 2003 9:22:55 PM)
and unlimited for PMs
EyeFlyDoc
8 GM and 4 FO
Marq
hey, we can't have everything
bareflanks
we could sell them for a couple of buck to offset the cost of the billboard
GG
We can provide up to 200 as a contribution to the cause but will need to know slogans and some central point to ship them to
obscure2k
keep pm benefits as they were
Rssrsvp
you pay for the upgradeable fares upfront
EyeFlyDoc
in other words restore
Marq
hard enough to upgrade these days as pm
obscure2k
"restore" Right.
bareflanks
gg....thought we finalized that on last discussion
Rssrsvp
EFD yes
EyeFlyDoc
OK... anything else we need to settle on what we want?
EyeFlyDoc
or should we move to what we will do?
bareflanks
sorry gg, i'm off topic
Rssrsvp
800 or 500 on MSU?
BigD
can you summerize
EyeFlyDoc
800 for sure
EyeFlyDoc
since I type faster I'll do that
obscure2k
800
FL-Delta-Platinum (Feb 3, 2003 9:24:48 PM)
Could we give on 500 miles if unlimited on PM?
Marq
fl yes
EyeFlyDoc
minimum of 1 MQM per mile flown
obscure2k
could live with that
bareflanks
yel dl pm
BigD
yes
EyeFlyDoc
restore qualification levels
Rssrsvp
GM's & FO's get screwed at 500
EyeFlyDoc
800 instead of 500
Jet2K (Feb 3, 2003 9:25:19 PM)
might be hard for non-PMs if not back to 800 miles
BigD
yes
bdschobel
second reboot!
bareflanks
welcome back
EyeFlyDoc
you need a new computer
paradocs
800 is my vote
bdschobel
Yes!!!
EyeFlyDoc
one that the kids don't use ;-)
FL-Delta-Platinum
if we have to give, this may be the place
I LOVE EWR
If you need meeting space let me know I MIGHT be able to work something out
FL-Delta-Platinum
however, they need to be valued at 500m
bareflanks
we need to 'give' on something
GG
Sorry, I can't hang around tonight, but we'll be home on Wednesday
FL-Delta-Platinum
you need to get more -not the same number
bdschobel
The number is irrelevant. The upgrade % is all that counts.
EyeFlyDoc
the problem with 500 is that they won't get you anywhere
obscure2k
exactly
Marq
bd agree
Rssrsvp
exactly
bareflanks
yes bruce
FL-Delta-Platinum
yed bd, wrong semantics
bdschobel
They could go to 100 if they gave me infinite again!
EyeFlyDoc (Feb 3, 2003 9:26:44 PM)
% is true for non-PMs
Marq
100% pm, 50% gm, 25% sm
DLrunner
we are "giving" on the LUT non-upgradeable part....
EyeFlyDoc (Feb 3, 2003 9:26:58 PM)
rather for PM
bareflanks
'ok dlrun
Rssrsvp
we need 8 for GM's & 4 for FO's @ 800 miles each if they expect us to pay for upgradeables
obscure2k
500 is ridiculous. Lax/Slc is just over 500 miles, so it would take 2
FL-Delta-Platinum
what about the enhancement of upgrading companion?
Rssrsvp
BS
EyeFlyDoc
but for GM and FO getting upgraded when you have no upgrades is not good
DLrunner
dont care about that
obscure2k
agree, it's BS
DLrunner
looks like we have the top 2-3... .Lets move on
EyeFlyDoc
or maybe 12 for GM and 8 for FO if they stay with 5
FL-Delta-Platinum
DL promotes it as sliced bread
bdschobel
That's enough!
Rssrsvp
EFD, it's one & the same
bdschobel
Issues, that is!
ATLpax
partner upgrades is a bogus benefit
EyeFlyDoc
true
EyeFlyDoc
;-)
bareflanks
agree
EyeFlyDoc
I was hoping they would do the math
bareflanks
i use miles for my wife
Rssrsvp
don't forget the enhancement we lost in the NAMU
bdschobel
Me, too. (My wife, not yours!)
Rssrsvp
it replaced the SWU
EyeFlyDoc
that is anohter issue
EyeFlyDoc
what do we do about NAMUs?
bareflanks
never met her!
Rssrsvp
because we requested it
Jet2K
enhanced out of NAMU :)
EyeFlyDoc
how about NAMU with a deductable?
bdschobel
I never used my namus, anyway. I don;t care.
obscure2k
sacrifice the Namu..if we get the other stuff
EyeFlyDoc
I would agree
BigD
agree
EyeFlyDoc
but that would leave them non-competitive
FL-Delta-Platinum
never use the namu
bareflanks
agree 02k
Rssrsvp
yes but ask for it & give it up later
EyeFlyDoc
in some respects
EyeFlyDoc
I guess
ConcordeBoy
So... what's goin' on, what's happening, what's the primary issue of the chat h'yere today?
Rssrsvp
hi mikey
EyeFlyDoc
Hi Mikey
DLrunner
yep..... I used the NAMU only to hold my upgrade before th 72 hour window
bdschobel
Don't ask for anything you don't really want. Not the time for that.
EyeFlyDoc
we are exploring what we want
Rssrsvp
list of demands
bdschobel
Short list!
mikey1003
i all sorry im late was being a grandfather...what is going on so far
EyeFlyDoc
or request to be polite
ConcordeBoy
and what if the demands arent met... then what?
EyeFlyDoc
I agree with Bruce
EyeFlyDoc
make it short
EyeFlyDoc
then we strike
DLrunner
stop flying DL
bdschobel
No, then we really leavem if we can.
ConcordeBoy
wait... havent most everyone already done that?
mikey1003
bruce, i agree...concise to the point
EyeFlyDoc
pretty much
bareflanks
switch to their nemisis AA
Rssrsvp
EFD, please summarize what we have agreed upon so far
bdschobel
No. I'm stuck with DL for too much flying.
ConcordeBoy
feel ya Bdschobel
GoCanes
any legal questions yet?
EyeFlyDoc
I posted that I just hapilly have AA $2200 that would have been DLs
sportsbe
Does anyone know the parameters of the 92 Ways 2 Earn promo?
EyeFlyDoc
nope
Rssrsvp
out of this topic please
DLrunner
then everyone buy ONE share of DL and make them mail those shareholder reports to a lot of people :-)
andymo99
sportsbe, email me offline
mikey1003
did we discuss billboards
bdschobel
I don't want to bankrupt them, just get my perks back!
andymo99
[email protected]
obscure2k
can we move on to the shareholders meeting
ATLpax
stock went below 9 today, also off topic sorry
EyeFlyDoc
O2K will you be there?
bdschobel
What about other airlines?
Rssrsvp
eye fly please list what we have so far
obscure2k
sure considering it
EyeFlyDoc
OK
ConcordeBoy
that, and they dropped another luggage bomb on us ATLpax
EyeFlyDoc
we agree that 1 mile flown = 1 MQM minimum
Rssrsvp
doesn't affct many of us
EyeFlyDoc
we agree that we want qualification levels retained
bdschobel
Occasionally, all of us.
EyeFlyDoc
including segements
mikey1003
efd......segments
dbk10
but do you want 1 mile flown = 1 MQM or stick with the 500 point minimum?
Rssrsvp
please let eyefly finish before posting
jml1124
1=1
EyeFlyDoc
1 minimum for all fares
Marq
500 min
bareflanks
yes ef
EyeFlyDoc
but more for Y?fif they want
EyeFlyDoc
Y and F
dbk10
as a shuttle flyer, this segment thing is killing me
ConcordeBoy
so pray tell.... how are we going to make these demands [hopefully painfully] apparent to DL? Billboard is one... but what else?
EyeFlyDoc
and we also want 800 mile seg upgrades
Rssrsvp
yes!
EyeFlyDoc
Did I miss anything?
DLrunner
Anyone from the press here ?
bdschobel
Or reasonable number of 500-MSUs.
Marq
it sounds like we want a better program than before...not very realistic
Rssrsvp
stay with 800 for now
ConcordeBoy
as in "unlimited" Bruce?
mikey1003
ozstamps sent me the list of over 100 travrel editors
ConcordeBoy (Feb 3, 2003 9:34:52 PM)
:-P
andymo99
Marq, that is what I was saying earlier. Not reasonable.
bdschobel
That would be best!
mikey1003
emailand addresses
dbk10
Do we have a goal of going right to the 800 mile seg upgrades stuff, or should we start off about the program in general and not alienate those flyers that aren't platinum, etc...?
obscure2k
great ?
mikey1003
dbk??
dbk10
yeah
Marq
some sm are going to really like the new program
EyeFlyDoc
I think we need to address all levels needs
ConcordeBoy (Feb 3, 2003 9:35:36 PM)
actually, they seem to have done a better job of Alienating PLATINUMS above all eles dbk!
EyeFlyDoc
sm like?
EyeFlyDoc
what's to like?
Marq
in my markets, silver never can upgrade today
bdschobel
Right. Upgrade % does the job, I think.
DLrunner
since we are 30 minutes in to the chat already.... can we move on to the channel to communicate this message... or should we wait for that ?
bdschobel
Compare old and new.
EyeFlyDoc
I agree with Bruce
EyeFlyDoc
as long as the % is retained
mikey1003
but we need to not use wour elite...that is airline marketingspeek
EyeFlyDoc
we're fine
obscure2k
agree with bruce
mikey1003
speak
EyeFlyDoc
and they can do whatever they want
Rssrsvp
will we settle for 1/2 MQM under any circumstances?
EyeFlyDoc
The billboard folks were out until today and promised to fax a proposal
EyeFlyDoc
no to 1.2
obscure2k
no
bdschobel
no
DLrunner
1/2 MQM will really hurt me... NO
EyeFlyDoc
makes no sense
BigD
no
GoCanes
are you putting Delta logo on the billboard?
bdschobel
better not.
EyeFlyDoc
Can we?
jml1124
no 1/2 mqm - I refuse to pay a k fare on a rj
EyeFlyDoc
we can put whatever we want
Marq
agree
EyeFlyDoc
cost is the same for simple or complex
Rssrsvp
what if it was like AA's 1/2 point or 1 elite mile?
EyeFlyDoc
but it has to be compelling
ATLpax
i don't know if we can use their logo
bdschobel
Let's be careful about getting sued, though.
EyeFlyDoc
AA's model of qualification works
mikey1003
no way in world we can pay more for tkts
dbk10
I think we need to portray to the media a story about business travelers not willing to go along with massive program changes. Maybe not necessarily go to Delta or the press with a list of demands. But really speak out to be heard and play the bad publicity game forcing the airlines in general to do stuff to make business/frequent travelers happy
GoCanes
yeah, do not violate copyright laws
dbk10
we may be able to gain support from other airline frequent fliers that way
EyeFlyDoc
but then DL has more stratification re fares
dbk10
and make this thing a flyers vs. the airlines thing
obscure2k
agree with dbk10
EyeFlyDoc
agree with dbk
dbk10
instead of just DL flyers vs. DL
bdschobel
Trademark infringement. Ned to explore reasonable use.
EyeFlyDoc
agree
Rssrsvp
guys Randy is in the Buzz and mikey is inviting him over
EyeFlyDoc
with bruce and dbk
GoCanes
also, must be careful for libel
GoCanes
no matter what you do, i guarantee a lawsuit
EyeFlyDoc
you think
GoCanes
just the way the legal world works
obscure2k
Dl canafford more expensive lawyers
EyeFlyDoc
that would be a pr DISASTER
bajamex
agree
GoCanes
they have lawyers who this is what they do
dbk10
I think we would have a better shot of getting a frequent flyers are fighting back story than we would of getting the press to single out DL specifically
Rssrsvp
great press for us. David vs. Goliath
EyeFlyDoc
DK would be nuts
FL-Delta-Platinum
DL will not sue its customers
bdschobel
Not true. They don't want to attract attention or make us into martyrs. But we can't go too far!
GoCanes
and they have the funds for it
EyeFlyDoc
that's also true
EyeFlyDoc
they do
FL-Delta-Platinum
you can use the logo as long as it has TM & used properly
ATLpax
yes, united pax are angry too
Marq
just take our miles
Rssrsvp
US didn't sue it's angry elites
EyeFlyDoc
but it would generate enough publicty to make use look like the injured
EyeFlyDoc
it would be perfect
EyeFlyDoc
as if they did
dbk10
I think we should use that nice Song Air Logo that someone posted with the baggage cart!
EyeFlyDoc
but they won't
DLrunner
lets not use the logo....
EyeFlyDoc
I agree
bdschobel
Agree.
ATLpax
i agree
Rssrsvp
don't use any logos!
EyeFlyDoc
no point in looking for trouble
bdschobel
Right.
dbk10
I was kidding
obscure2k
no logos
EyeFlyDoc
My thought is the billboard at the stockholders meeting
DLrunner
ok Bruce.... what is the latest situation of the saveskymiles fund?
FL-Delta-Platinum
use a pix of Leo... put a person on trial for his decisions
bdschobel
$775.
EyeFlyDoc
and then around the US as inexpensively as possible
mikey1003
remember dl is only major who has made this move...they are hanging...if we get press on our side we have a chance...Spoke to Chris McGinnis Atl Business Courier...article on us this week
bdschobel
Including yours.
DLrunner
thanks... and the pledges?
Rssrsvp
we need to start the billboard asap
EyeFlyDoc
excellent Mikey
dbk10
1.) let's not leave this chat without setting a deadline for something (let it be a written press release or something)
bdschobel
Not exactly sure, roughly $3000.
Rssrsvp
go mikey
EyeFlyDoc
do we want to start at the stock holders meeting
Rssrsvp
earlier
FL-Delta-Platinum
do we have a picket date for ATL
DLrunner
isn't that in April? too late
EyeFlyDoc
it would be too costly to do ATL as a standalone
bdschobel
Has to be earlier.
Rssrsvp
LGA, BOS, ATL
dbk10
I think we want to start before stockholders meeting
dbk10
we want them to talk about it in the meeting
bdschobel
Yes.
Rssrsvp
CVG
EyeFlyDoc
LGA, BOS I think is doable
ATLpax
let's list and prioritize actions
obscure2k
exactly
mikey1003
should be earlier and culminate at stockholder meet
EyeFlyDoc
good idea
bdschobel
Mikey, YES!
dbk10
exactly Mikey
FL-Delta-Platinum
WE should all converge on ATL on a Monday before our business week starts
EyeFlyDoc
agreed
EyeFlyDoc
and do what?
bdschobel
Meet with local press.
obscure2k
raise hell at stockholders meeting
mikey1003
i invited randy over...he is in buzz chat and still has not come over
EyeFlyDoc
I think many of us did converge on ATL
ATLpax
hand out flyers to other pax
EyeFlyDoc
can you blame him?
bdschobel
I was there today. No converging, though! :)
EyeFlyDoc
he has other issues to consider
Marq
me too
dbk10
how serious is this button thing?
mikey1003
we need www.saveskymiles.com or another site
EyeFlyDoc
I know ATL better than where I live
Marq
likes idea of buttons
mikey1003
that is his site
dbk10
does anyone have a cost estimate for buttons?
GoCanes
I think we need to make this a skymiles issue and not an elite issue
GoCanes
every skymiles member has the opportunity to become elite
EyeFlyDoc
It is a DL issue
bdschobel
We have identified broad issues already.
EyeFlyDoc
and a business issue
mikey1003
gocane...correct
EyeFlyDoc
so how do we interface buttons with the board
obscure2k
gg offered to donate 200 buttons. why not use that as a trial balloon to see what response we get
dbk10
also, what are the costs with distribution of buttons? can we set it up that everyone would purchase their own buttons directly from the distributor?
EyeFlyDoc
how do we distribute?
EyeFlyDoc
and what will the buttons do?
mikey1003
hand out on flights
bdschobel
Before too long, we really need a meeting.
dbk10
they will start advertising
obscure2k
we wear on flights
ATLpax
i agree, we do need a meeting
I LOVE EWR
i MIGHT be able to help out with the meetings
bareflanks
EF..it a visual thing to create conversation
EyeFlyDoc
in truth we need publicity
bdschobel
Holiday qeekend in 2 weeks?
bdschobel
Weekend!
ATLpax
difficult to move these ideas forward here
EyeFlyDoc
glare of the public spotlight
EyeFlyDoc
yes
bareflanks
yes
EyeFlyDoc
not sure buttons would help
EyeFlyDoc
more of a side issue
andymo99
we can meet in a CRC!
EyeFlyDoc
we need the press
bdschobel
If we get press coverage, we will win. Without it, we'll just bang our heads against the wall.
ipoinvestor
is it possible to set up a conference call on this matter for all to voice their opinions on this matter?
EyeFlyDoc
and the best way to get it is to mildly embarass DL
EyeFlyDoc
absolutely bruce
bdschobel
Mildly, is right.
EyeFlyDoc
buttons won't do much
dbk10
well, maybe the idea of buttons isn't bad b/c if we do that before the press thing, then we have part of the story right there. I think we are going to somehow do SOMETHING before the press will be interested
ATLpax
yes, conf call, then meeting
bdschobel
We have to keep the spirit of actually liking Delta and wanting to stay with them!
EyeFlyDoc
I think the 2 things we need to focus on is how to get publicity
obscure2k
agree
BigD
the press will want something visual
mikey1003
If we can break the 100 plus names I got from ozstamps...get a concise letter or email about us meeting, getting billboards, buttons....reasons and cure..then we can mail/email them to the press asap
Flight Mechanic
The cockroaches worked for the US Air Flyers
EyeFlyDoc
and how to get attention
bdschobel
If we come across as enemies, they don't want us on their planes, anyway!
EyeFlyDoc
in reverse order
EyeFlyDoc
yes
bareflanks
fm been there
dbk10
and maybe we can send buttons to the press???
EyeFlyDoc
we need to appear as frustrated customers
DLrunner
Bruce.. the last 1-2 months, I have seriously reconsidered the fact that I used to like DL
bdschobel
Right.
EyeFlyDoc
exactly what we are
obscure2k
Delta: Why did you break my heart? I loveyou.
mikey1003
dbk as part of a press kit
bdschobel
Basically, yes.
I LOVE EWR
sorry bout that
andymo99
:)O2K
dbk10 (Feb 3, 2003 9:47:42 PM)
Maybe the message on the buttons needs to be more of a "Delta Please Work With Us and Not Dictate to Us"
EyeFlyDoc
I think we need something a little less racy and more gener neutral ;-)
dbk10
yea, as part of the kit
Rssrsvp
"DL Road Warriors want a fair return on their investment
Jet2K
I like andymo's idea of meeting at a CRC
bdschobel
dbk, yes.
EyeFlyDoc
that works
Jet2K
perhaps in ATL?
bdschobel
I'll be there.
bareflanks
i thought the button message as DL how could u...with the save skymiles www address
obscure2k
CRC is perfect
Jet2K
and invite the press
mikey1003
atl is probably best its central
EyeFlyDoc
I will be in ATL several times in the next few weeks
Marq
they can't get in
Rssrsvp
true
Jet2K
we will set up a line
bdschobel
And DL is important there.
EyeFlyDoc
busy time but I would try to break away for a meeting
obscure2k
they can if they are a guest
Jet2K
outside of the CRC and escort press in as our guess
Jet2K
guests
Marq
only with ticket
dbk10
Bareflanks, I think we'd catch more flies with honey than with vinegar
bdschobel
Ticket no problem.
bdschobel
Refundable!
Flight Mechanic
Reserve a conferance room, they get a security pass
dbk10
we don't want delta to think that they've already lost our business
Jet2K
how about renting a conf room at the CRC
EyeFlyDoc
I think that we have most of this down
bdschobel
Oh, yeah!
Marq
bd, glad to see i'm not the only one that thought of that
EyeFlyDoc
we need to work on how to coordinate with the press
FL-Delta-Platinum
need a date...
EyeFlyDoc
date for meeting
bdschobel
efd, yes.
mikey1003
I posted dbk's and atlpax press ideas on ft
bdschobel
Holiday weekend?
Jet2K
bruce, I sent the list from Oz to you and mikey
obscure2k
need 14 day minimum with sat nt stay
DLrunner
Saturday Feb 15?
EyeFlyDoc
excellent
bdschobel
Yes.
andymo99
expensive.
DLrunner
fly aittran :-)
bdschobel
Not with Saturday night stay.
DLrunner
Airtran
bdschobel
Or award ticket. Maybe even e-fare.
bajamex
any try air tran
andymo99
from BOS it is, that weekend. all DL flights in and out expensive.
Rssrsvp
2/15 is Valentine day's weekend some of us have plans
EyeFlyDoc
Yeah
EyeFlyDoc
trye
andymo99
yeah, FL is the answer.
EyeFlyDoc
true
obscure2k
prez day wknd.
FL-Delta-Platinum
why not monday morning 2/17 early
mikey1003
Im at a meeting in Tampa that weekeend
bdschobel
If we meet on Sunday, I can drive down with a carload.
andymo99 (Feb 3, 2003 9:51:15 PM)
you are driving NJ-->ATL?
bdschobel
I could to save money for a group.
mikey1003
you can fill me in on what happens
BigD
I'll be going through ATL Friday and Sunday
DLrunner (Feb 3, 2003 9:51:50 PM)
That would be a story: Group of DL PMs drive rather than fly DL :-)
bdschobel
Sunday works well.
Rssrsvp
we can accomplish a great deal on the phone
bdschobel
Yes.
EyeFlyDoc
is there some way we could meet in a virtual chat room or a large conference call
obscure2k
DL runner, good idea
EyeFlyDoc
either that or though committees
bdschobel
Rss and I are on the phone all day!
EyeFlyDoc
that meet on phone
bdschobel
I don't mean with each other.
EyeFlyDoc
hehehe
EyeFlyDoc
How about this
EyeFlyDoc
we set up a structure
EyeFlyDoc
a central committee
MileageAddict
Delta is ready when you are! :)
EyeFlyDoc
and several subsidiary comittees
Rssrsvp
I can only conference 2 lines, but if everyone did the same we could all connect that way
MileageAddict
Delta, We get you there (so shut up and dont ask for anything else)
EyeFlyDoc
the subsidiarys can conference call or IM or email
obscure2k
how many are in NY area
bdschobel
E-mail beats chats, I think. More organized.
EyeFlyDoc
and the report to the central comittee and they post
EyeFlyDoc
updates
EyeFlyDoc
I agree
dbk10
NY (well, on weekends)
bdschobel
I'm in NY day-time.
EyeFlyDoc
I am in NY but not much in the next few weeks
Rssrsvp
I'm in NY
BigD
NE FLA
obscure2k
bruce, rss, eyefly, are all NY
EyeFlyDoc
I will discuss with the mobile bbs guys tomorrow and post as soon as I have a firm price
DLrunner
RIC.... The central meeting place :-)
bareflanks
got to go...sorry...will read the recap tomorrow
EyeFlyDoc
night
bdschobel
If we want to be noticed by Delta and the press, ATL is a must.
mikey1003
i have the start of a decent email list....I sent you the press info this afternoon...I am surte that most of you know and trust others to add...people who do not want to be outed can be blind copied
EyeFlyDoc
yes
Jet2K
agree with Bruce
obscure2k
agree with bruce
mikey1003
bruce, I agree
EyeFlyDoc
but the question is... if we are in ATL what can we do that won't really piss DL off?
Rssrsvp
how's this for an angle, we all redeem miles & fly to ATL
EyeFlyDoc
that's easy
obscure2k
NICE!
MHS
I have not been here all night...
MHS
just got in from a trip
bdschobel
First of all, we ask Delta to meet with us. That's essential!!!
EyeFlyDoc
can we upgrade with award insULT fares?
Rssrsvp
MHS, welcome
MHS
I think that the press is the answer
dbk10
or how 'bout this, we all make a press story about how we wanted to use miles to meet in Atlanta, but it's too hard to redeem our miles so we couldn't make it to ATL :)
bdschobel
Hard to get pissed if you were invoted but refused to attend.
EyeFlyDoc
I agree
bdschobel
invited.
mikey1003
dbk...love it
EyeFlyDoc
interesting point
DLrunner
what ever happened to that advisory panel? was that a joke?
EyeFlyDoc
what if we ask DL for a meeting
Marq
still on panel
EyeFlyDoc
and invite the press?
bdschobel
Yes!!!
Jet2K
great idea!
Rssrsvp
great
EyeFlyDoc
do it in ATL
dbk10
DLrunner, interesting concept
mikey1003
is www.saveskymiles an option?
bdschobel
Has to be ATL. NY press won't care.
ATLpax
excellent.
dbk10
I don't know if they will agree to the press though
EyeFlyDoc
need it if we are using the BBS
mikey1003
if not we need another site to refer press to
bdschobel
I'd meet them without press.
Rssrsvp
we acn get it revide & updated
dbk10
we would have to alert the press after we had written confirmation of a meeting
mikey1003
billboards to
mikey1003
buttons to
EyeFlyDoc
they can meet with the press
EyeFlyDoc
if they don't say yes
EyeFlyDoc
or without if they do
EyeFlyDoc
Why not post a message to DL
EyeFlyDoc
on FT
MHS (Feb 3, 2003 9:58:11 PM)
BRB...Phone
bdschobel
EFD. You got it!
EyeFlyDoc
that as representatives of DL flyers
EyeFlyDoc
we demand a meeting
EyeFlyDoc
in ATL
Jet2K
does Delta actualy lurk on FT?
bdschobel
No. Be nice. Request.
EyeFlyDoc
and if they won't meet with us
FL-Delta-Platinum
Bruce or EFD should send fax letter to Leo to meet with his best customers - I know the CEO of my company would meed with his upper 3%...
EyeFlyDoc
we take it to the press
Rssrsvp
eyefly call me tomorrow
EyeFlyDoc
will do
EyeFlyDoc
you know
bdschobel
DL first, then press. See if they'll give a little without publicity.
mikey1003
im sure dl is lurking
Rssrsvp
agreed
EyeFlyDoc
Bruce how much pledged?
bdschobel
That's OK. I've got nothing to hide.
mikey1003 (Feb 3, 2003 9:59:13 PM)
bruce...I think DL AND Press
DLrunner
you'll get a "Thats all the discussion we will have on this topic" reply from one of the DL lurkers
bdschobel
Roughly $3000. Not exact.
EyeFlyDoc (Feb 3, 2003 9:59:29 PM)
that is a PR present of tremendous value
mikey1003
let press know our frustrations
EyeFlyDoc
if they are looking for a way out this is it
EyeFlyDoc
they meet with their best customers
EyeFlyDoc
and come up with a compromise
Rssrsvp
post a thread on FT Community asking for donations
EyeFlyDoc
we have enough to embarass them
EyeFlyDoc
and they know it
obscure2k
would they acknowledge that they have lost revenue from top tier?
bdschobel
First approach DL. Don't embarrass them unnecessarily. See what we can get by being nice, then be not so nice, if necessary.
EyeFlyDoc
and the point is we dont want to
EyeFlyDoc
and neither do they
EyeFlyDoc
this is a perfect solution
EyeFlyDoc
set up a dialog
DLrunner
cross reference CO/NW boards.... if DL gets away with this, they could be next
Rssrsvp
nice guys finisf last
EyeFlyDoc
I've never been accused of being nice
EyeFlyDoc
surgical
EyeFlyDoc
cynical
bdschobel
Very tough guys can appear to be nice for a while.
EyeFlyDoc
sceming
obscure2k
witty
EyeFlyDoc
obnoxious
andymo99
erudite.
mikey1003
remember...chris woodyard usatoday wrote sympathetic article on us last week or 2 weeks ago...james pilcher did the same in cincy...someone sayid wsj had one
EyeFlyDoc
and even polite and genteel by my seat mate the other day
EyeFlyDoc
she had a few too many
mikey1003
we need to keep up pressure
DLrunner
we did try to talk to them through the posts on FT.... They did not listen to even ONE point
Rssrsvp
back to business , we all know how full of ourselves we can be :)
EyeFlyDoc
but now they either face us or the press
EyeFlyDoc
meet the press
bdschobel
Consultant didn't. Real Delta might.
EyeFlyDoc
true RSS, I am full of something ;-)
FL-Delta-Platinum
it needs to be a business meeting and have the tone of a business meeting
Rssrsvp
:)
EyeFlyDoc
I agree with bruce
obscure2k
Hi, Sean
FL-Delta-Platinum
a chat does not have that and won't have the openness
mikey1003
that is why we go ahead and do whatever we are going to do and let press know
EyeFlyDoc
I think that aliens have taken over virgina ave
Rssrsvp
hi Sean
bdschobel
Hi, Sean!
andymo99
Hi, Sean!
EyeFlyDoc
I think giving them a chance makes sense
bdschobel
We have nothing to lose.
B747-437B
dont mind me - im just the mole here to report back to the authorities about your plans :)
EyeFlyDoc
and avoiding embarasment is a strong motivator
bdschobel
No problem!
bdschobel
This isn't a secret.
obscure2k
We love Delta, Sean
EyeFlyDoc
who thinks that DL doesn't want to change things
dbk10
then please tell them we'd like to meet with them
Rssrsvp
many of us have the number to exec offices at DL, how about a call?
B747-437B
tell that to the judge
mikey1003
if we give them a chance they will take it as an ultimatum and their backs will be to the wall...we need to move forward
EyeFlyDoc
at this point I imagine that they are looking for some excuse
EyeFlyDoc
to change without loosing face
Jet2K
let us give them that excuse
obscure2k
Time for dinner
bdschobel
I hope so. Look at standby fees.
EyeFlyDoc
I agree with Bruce that they are working on changes now
andymo99
I agree with O2K
EyeFlyDoc (Feb 3, 2003 10:04:04 PM)
this gives them an opporunity for even more positive PR
mikey1003
eyefly i am being bitter but they have nor even answered our letters , emails or calls so far
EyeFlyDoc
make them look like they are receptive to interaction with their customers
Marq
the new free change of flights for gm and pm is a great NEW benefit
FL-Delta-Platinum
the answers from SMS are getting shorter - thanks for writing
bdschobel
Someone higher up might meet with a group.
EyeFlyDoc
I think that was a natural planned defense
MileageAddict
Mikey, they are too busy getting the Song planes ready ;)
Marq
fl, that has always been my experience
EyeFlyDoc
they anticipaed that we wouldn't be happy
EyeFlyDoc
and their reponse was planned and canned
EyeFlyDoc
I suspect that they are interested in dialog
andymo99
are we wrapping up?
mikey1003
is there anyone here that thinks that they can get us a reasonable appointment with someone from delta?
dbk10
by meeting with them, we give Delta the opportunity to go to the press and say that they are receptive to their ff's. However, in that effort, they will also want to get the viewpoint of the FFs, in which case it may give us an easier opportunity to be heard
EyeFlyDoc
where did O2K go?
FL-Delta-Platinum
who's writing letter to invite DL management?
andymo99
she went to make dinner for the family
bdschobel
The May 2003 and 2004 dates are there to give them time to back-pedal. They knew what they were doing. They want to see what we care about most. Let's tell them.
EyeFlyDoc
Ah
EyeFlyDoc
I agree
ATLpax
do we propose that all of us go?
bdschobel
Sean, what do you think?
EyeFlyDoc
RSS and Bruce a call tomorrow
bdschobel
Sure.
mikey1003
bruce, Havent we told them already? Isnt it falling on deaf ears
dbk10
What kind of deadline would we want to meet with them? When do we want this done by?
EyeFlyDoc
to see what we can set up and then report back to the group on Ft
bdschobel
They've heard too much from too many. We havwe to organize and focus.
EyeFlyDoc
meanwhile we proceed with billboard planning just in case
EyeFlyDoc
agree
EyeFlyDoc
I think it has a chance
B747-437B
what exactly do you guys want from Delta?
mikey1003
again...who can get us an appointment?
Rssrsvp
efd & bruce ok
EyeFlyDoc
mikey we can try
bdschobel
A business-like approach for specific rollbacks has a chance, I think. Sean?
avek00
good question Sean
EyeFlyDoc
it's worth a shot
Rssrsvp
Sewan, a reasonable return on our investment
B747-437B
give specifics
avek00
return on investment?
EyeFlyDoc
we did Sean
avek00
SkyMiles are not an investment
Rssrsvp
sorry about thre typing
DLrunner
1mile = 1 MQM minimum
mikey1003
no i am asking...is there someone who CAN get us in...i am not bitching here
EyeFlyDoc
it is on the transcript
B747-437B
"unlimited upgrades from all fares"? :)
bdschobel
We agreed on two, I think, earlier (I was cut off for a while).
B747-437B
let me rephrase
EyeFlyDoc
skymiles are an investment
DLrunner
Sean.... it is in the transcript
Jet2K
One mile flown = 1MQM
B747-437B
"what do you guys realistically hope to achieve"?
EyeFlyDoc
a dividend of sorts
avek00 (Feb 3, 2003 10:08:32 PM)
FFPs are not banks EyeFlyDoc
Jet2K (Feb 3, 2003 10:08:34 PM)
unlimited 800 miles for PM
Rssrsvp
a partial roolback
EyeFlyDoc
not sure I agree avek
EyeFlyDoc
they are in a round about way
mikey1003
segments and mile for mile
B747-437B
and why is it in DL's interest to do this?
Rssrsvp
keep top customers
Jet2K
so that the best customers stay
DLrunner
to get more of our business
Flight Mechanic
Depending on an individual situation, the win seems to differ
DLrunner
else we stop flying
dbk10 (Feb 3, 2003 10:09:20 PM)
no, we think that it isn't right for some fares to only earn 0.5 MQMs for status, we want some of the Platinum benefits back - unlimited 800 upgrades
DLrunner
flying DL, I mean
Rssrsvp
DL has worst plan in US
bdschobel
I see two big issues affecting large numbers of flyers: 1. 1 MQM min for all fares. 2. increase potential upgrade % somewhat. The planned cuts are draconian.
mikey1003
it is easier to keep us than it is to try and win us back when things get good
Marq
esp for pm
B747-437B
ok, have you all seen the math on the upgrades issue?
Rssrsvp
true mikey
Marq
yes
bdschobel
Yes. That's why I said somewhat.
B747-437B
on how you guys *theoretically* are paying no more than before?
Rssrsvp
Sean, that's the big problem
Marq
20% for pm except full y =30%
bdschobel
That's rubbish.
mikey1003
bruce 3 things...segments important for those of uis in short haul markets
dbk10
enlighten us, please
bdschobel
OK.
Jet2K (Feb 3, 2003 10:10:39 PM)
I would gladly pay K+ fare if PM gets unlimited upgrade
B747-437B
bruce, its not rubbish - the K premium has been eliminated
Rssrsvp
let bruce answer
Jet2K
at time of booking
B747-437B
usually K is minimum fare + 40%
bdschobel
Unclear. Explain.
Marq
747 disagree
B747-437B
marq - about the min+40%?
Marq
k used to be l+ approx $15 for me
B747-437B
USED TO
Marq
yes
Marq
not since aug 02
B747-437B
remember when T fares were introduced?
bdschobel
Yes.
B747-437B
i explained that this was the entire purpose of them
Marq
have they taken it back down to what it used to be
RVBOOS
Hello everyone, sorry i'm late, I was travelling
mikey1003
i will not be dragged into a pricing issue as long as 100 plus people on any given flight are paying 100 different fares...Let DL establish a fair fare structure ...dont blindside us
Marq
747, why did it seem i was the only one complaining when they started t fares
andymo99
.
B747-437B
what is to complain about Marq?
Marq
i tried talking to fliers in crown rooms
bdschobel
T fares were pretty rare. Still are, really.
andymo99
marq, who are you, anyway?
Marq
made diffrerential too high for me to ask employer to pay for k fare
Marq (Feb 3, 2003 10:13:08 PM)
for first time in two years i had to fly coach
B747-437B
T fares exist now in targeted markets where Delta can undercut low fare competition without hurting yields
Jet2K
not many T fare for my market, mostly U
RVBOOS
I actually held an impromptu meeting on a 767-400 FLL-ATL, while we were standing waiting for the door to open
B747-437B
Marq : i hate to say this - but you are the kind of cheapskate customer that Delta WANTS to see walk
EyeFlyDoc
is there a point to discussing these topics
Marq
i agree
bdschobel (Feb 3, 2003 10:13:42 PM)
Fact remains that upgrade % will be in neighborhood of 20% even for PMs after 2003. That's too low.
B747-437B
so why are you wasting your time?
FL-Delta-Platinum
I'll gladly pay K for unlimited MSU
B747-437B (Feb 3, 2003 10:13:48 PM)
call 1-800-44 PERKS
bdschobel
Huh?
mikey1003
look, we all learned to live with luser and t fares..this issue is not to go back that far
Jet2K
He wants us to fly NW
B747-437B
heck, email you and ill have you a NW Comp within the week
Marq
i've always made pm on segments, except last year ended with 104000
B747-437B
*email me
Rssrsvp (Feb 3, 2003 10:14:15 PM)
Folks, this is a meeting with an agenda. Please stick to it!
v3
747, you might have a point about the fairs but the upgrades, upgrades are our pain. 4 points for 10K for everyone is bad
Marq
ok
mikey1003
agreed
bdschobel
v3, right.
B747-437B
v3 - agreed
EyeFlyDoc
If Sean isn't working for DL why do we need his approval for what we want?
B747-437B
but you can BUY upgrades
BigD
Why would anyone pay for a higher fare on comair
Jet2K
yes v3
Rssrsvp
back to business
bdschobel (Feb 3, 2003 10:14:53 PM)
Price too high.
FL-Delta-Platinum
especially at 500M
DLrunner
we are done with the agenda discussion.... everyone go back to your regular lives :-)
Rssrsvp (Feb 3, 2003 10:15:01 PM)
PLEASEEEE!
EyeFlyDoc
lets stick to the topic and wrap this up
andymo99
wrap up sounds good.
avek00
honestly, i only see Sean providing a badly needed reality check
EyeFlyDoc
RSS any more?
mikey1003
eyefly agreed
Jet2K
do we have a meeting date in ATL?
Rssrsvp
not yet
bdschobel
Sunday, 2/16?
EyeFlyDoc
I think we are going to try to get DL to meet with some of us
FL-Delta-Platinum
you won't get DL management on a Sunday
EyeFlyDoc
first
andymo99
I think Russ is off on Sundays.
bdschobel
Good point.
Rssrsvp
let's discuss date tomorrow on phone
EyeFlyDoc
sounds good
bdschobel
OK.
EyeFlyDoc
then report back
mikey1003
bruce shouldnt you try to get date with dl first
Rssrsvp
don't involve Russ
bdschobel
Yes.
EyeFlyDoc
agreed
bdschobel
Yes again.
Rssrsvp
he doesn't need another headache
andymo99
I just mean it is a shame to go thru ATL and not get to see him
EyeFlyDoc
We can see him
bdschobel
We can see him but not involve him. Not helpful to him or us.
Jet2K
right
andymo99
TGWS
EyeFlyDoc
I would like to see UDH and thank him/her too
EyeFlyDoc
but that's another story
mikey1003
which crc is russ at...never met him
andymo99
email me
bdschobel
B25 lately.
Rssrsvp
go to CVG and ask for taylor
EyeFlyDoc
have you done that RSS?
EyeFlyDoc
has anyone?
Marq
nite all, sorry if i added too many interuptions
EyeFlyDoc
you didn't
dbk10
night all, I need to unpack and get some sleep
mikey1003
when will this transcript be posted
EyeFlyDoc
I have to finish a few presentations
EyeFlyDoc
talk to you tomorrow RSS and Bruce...
mikey1003
rss....contact me tomorrow..Lets talk
bdschobel
OK. Bye.
EyeFlyDoc
good night all...
Jet2K
bight efd
Jet2K
night
EyeFlyDoc
thanks Mike by the way
EyeFlyDoc
night Jet
Rssrsvp
tomorrow EFD & Bruce
andymo99
if we are done, then i am going off topic: EFD, when are you thru ATL this week?
mikey1003
night all
Jet2K
night all
paradocs
good night all!
andymo99
night andrea
mikey1003
did we accomplish anything?
Rssrsvp
GTG, good night all